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Sorry for the information dump, and also that was a coloquialism, “I’m not playing your game”, so I can understand why that would not be a good phrase to use. I will do my best to go more “step by step”. Understand, in the context of what I meant, the way that you frame the conversation, “give me verses from the quran that allowe muslims to rape children and murder innocent people”, is not the entire picture.  It’s more about how the Prophet interpreted what was in the Quran.  Plenty of people can twist religions (e.g. Christianity); however, the interpretation of the Prophet AND his actions should stand as the authority on Islam. If the interpretation of the Prophet is wrong, then what hope is there for Islam?  For his interpretation, you must consider how he acted throughout his life.  This is what Jesus meant when he said you will “know them” (i.e. false prophets) by their fruits.” (Matthew 7:15-20) This is why I included the big dump of history above, including teachings from Lord Jesus and his brother, James the Just. Read the entire New Testament; if you hold Islam, i.e. the Quran, the Prophet and Islamic history, up in the light of it, you will see that they burn.     Bless those who persecute [you], bless and do not curse them.     (Saul “Paul” of Tarsus, Pharisee, Persecutor of the Church AND      convert, Romans 12:4, NKJV)     17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil; be concerned for what is     noble in the sight of all. 18 If possible, on your part, live at peace     with all. 19 Beloved, do not look for revenge but leave room for      the wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says     the Lord.” 20 Rather, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is     thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap     burning coals upon his head.” 21 Do not be conquered by evil but     conquer evil with good. (Saul “Paul” of Tarsus, Pharisee,     Persecutor of the Church AND convert, Romans 12:17-21, NKJV) <— That man was “conquered” by the love of God through a personal encounter with the risen Jesus Christ WHILE he was on his way to Damascus to arrest and imprison Christians.  He also oversaw the death of the first Christian martyr.   Tell me, why did he switch from being a rockstar to a fugitive?     43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor     and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless    those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for    those who spitefully use you and persecute you,[h] 45 that you may    be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the    evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.    46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do    not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your    brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the    tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your    Father in heaven is perfect. (Lord Jesus, Messiah of Israel,    Matthew 5:43-48, NKJV) <—- For the purposes of our exchange, can you provide verses of the Quran which are equivalent to the ones above?  (You are right in that I am not well versed in it.) Thanks, and Alsalam Alykum

Matthew 7:15-20 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. (NKJV)

Fruits of Islam and its founder:

Sahih Al Bukhari 5158.
Sahih Muslim 3480-3481.
Sahih Al Bukhari 5080.
Sahih Al Bukhari 3411.
Sahih Al Bukhari 5825.

Not playing your game on the terms YOU define. Trying to rip the Hadith away from the Quran is like trying to rip the Epistles away from the New Testament.************************ THE REAL QUESTION ************************ The question is NOT just what is IN the Quran; the question is…    What was the interpretation of its Prophet?? **************************************************************************However, if you’re still itching, just read the Surah. “Slay the people of the book wherever you find them.”  “Slay the polytheists wherever you find them.” And just why are we considered polytheists to be killed? Surat I Tawbah calls Jews and Christians disbelievers because of their beliefs in the Son of God. 9:29 “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” NOTE: 1. Jizya = State Tax for an Islamic state 2. The context is within an Islamic state. What is the Goal of Islam?  Based on its conquering history, conversion through violent or non-violent means…whatever works. 9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it). LOGICAL CONCLUSION: If we hold to our Christian (or other) beliefs, we will eventually be all conquered and persecuted with Sharia and taxes. ** THE DEVIL’S ADVOCATE ** But let’s forget my logical reasoning and play the devil’s advocate for a second. Pardon the pun. ASSUMPTION:  Islam is a religion of peace, and it is my interpretation that has failed miserably. HYPOTHESIS:  Going back through history, we should find evidence that progressively, Islam promoted peace from the beginning with Muhammed, up through the 20th century. (See below in the next post.)

Sorry for the information dump, and also that was a coloquialism, “I’m not playing your game”, so I can understand why that would not be a good phrase to use. I will do my best to go more “step by step”. Understand, in the context of what I meant, the way that you frame the conversation, “give me verses from the quran that allowe muslims to rape children and murder innocent people”, is not the entire picture.  It’s more about how the Prophet interpreted what was in the Quran.  Plenty of people can twist religions (e.g. Christianity); however, the interpretation of the Prophet AND his actions should stand as the authority on Islam. If the interpretation of the Prophet is wrong, then what hope is there for Islam?  For his interpretation, you must consider how he acted throughout his life.  This is what Jesus meant when he said you will “know them” (i.e. false prophets) by their fruits.” (Matthew 7:15-20) This is why I included the big dump of history above, including teachings from Lord Jesus and his brother, James the Just. Read the entire New Testament; if you hold Islam, i.e. the Quran, the Prophet and Islamic history, up in the light of it, you will see that they burn.     Bless those who persecute [you], bless and do not curse them.     (Saul “Paul” of Tarsus, Pharisee, Persecutor of the Church AND      convert, Romans 12:4, NKJV)     17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil; be concerned for what is     noble in the sight of all. 18 If possible, on your part, live at peace     with all. 19 Beloved, do not look for revenge but leave room for      the wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says     the Lord.” 20 Rather, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is     thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap     burning coals upon his head.” 21 Do not be conquered by evil but     conquer evil with good. (Saul “Paul” of Tarsus, Pharisee,     Persecutor of the Church AND convert, Romans 12:17-21, NKJV) <— That man was “conquered” by the love of God through a personal encounter with the risen Jesus Christ WHILE he was on his way to Damascus to arrest and imprison Christians.  He also oversaw the death of the first Christian martyr.   Tell me, why did he switch from being a rockstar to a fugitive?     43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor     and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless    those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for    those who spitefully use you and persecute you,[h] 45 that you may    be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the    evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.    46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do    not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your    brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the    tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your    Father in heaven is perfect. (Lord Jesus, Messiah of Israel,    Matthew 5:43-48, NKJV) <—- For the purposes of our exchange, can you provide verses of the Quran which are equivalent to the ones above?  (You are right in that I am not well versed in it.) Thanks, and Alsalam Alykum

Yes, I document the history of the “poor unbelievers” above across 13-14 centuries of Islam spreading.  It doesn’t look like we remember the same history? Jesus also said of the commandments in Mark 12:29-31…     29 Jesus replied, “The first is this: ‘Hear, O Israel! The     Lord our God is Lord alone! 30 You shall love the Lord     your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all     your mind, and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is     this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is     no other commandment greater than these.” (NKJV) and in Matthew 22:40…     40 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two     commandments.” (NKJV) That sounds great about the neighbor thing, because I am not just a Christian; I am a Jew.  Please tell me if it is safe to move back to Israel these days…

I’m not an Israelie citizen. Jesus said in Matthew 7:1-5     1 “Judge not, that you be     not judged. 2 For with     what judgment you judge,     you will be judged; and     with the measure you use,     it will be measured back to     you. 3 And why do you     look at the speck in your     brother’s eye, but do not     consider the plank in your     own eye? 4 Or how can     you say to your brother,     ‘Let me remove the speck     from your eye’; and look, a     plank is in your own     eye? 5 Hypocrite! First     remove the plank from     your own eye, and then     you will see clearly to     remove the speck from     your brother’s eye. (NKJV) So… 1. Define for me “innocent people”, and please, no muruna. 2. I’m still waiting for Quran verses that command you to love your enemies AND your neighbor instead of solely judgements against treating other Muslims poorly.

you want verses? OK, here’s verses from Quran and Hadith and Surah. Muslim (8:3309) – Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine.  (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places).  No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given.  Other references are Sahih Bukhari 3896, 5158 and 3311. Bukhari (62:18) – Aisha’s father, Abu Bakr, wasn’t on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible.  This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions. Muslim (8:3311) – The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad’s house (something to play with when the “prophet” was not having sex with her). Bukhari (6:298) – Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her. Muslim (8:3460) – “Why didn’t you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?” Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an “older woman” instead of opting to fondle a child. Additionally; Qur’an (65:4) relates rules for divorce, one of them being that a waiting period of three months is established to determine that the woman is not pregnant.  But the same rule applies to “those too who have not had their courses,” meaning girls who have not begun to menstruate.  (In our opinion, this would have been a great time for Allah to have said something else instead like, “a real man is one who marries an actual, grown woman”… but that’s just us). Thanks to Muhammad’s extremely poor judgment (at best) and explicit approval of pedophilia, sex with children became deeply ingrained in the Islamic tradition.  For many centuries, Muslim armies would purge Christian and Hindu peasant villages of their menfolk and send the women and children to harems and the thriving child sex slave markets deep in the Islamic world. When it comes to child marriage, contemporary clerics warn fellow Muslims against succumbing to the disapproval of the Christian West: “It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Sharia, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit. For laws are Allah’s province; and legislation is his excusive right, to be shared by none other. And among these are the rules governing marriage.” The Ayatollah Khomeini, who married a 12-year-old girl, even gave his consent to using infants for sexual pleasure (although warning against full penetration until the baby is a few years older).  In April, 2010, a 13-year-old Yemeni girl died from injuries suffered to her womb during “intercourse”. Some clerics show relative mercy on underage girls by advocating a process known as “thighing” (also known as child molestation in the West).  According to a recent fatwa (number 23672), an imam answers this question: “My parents married me to a young girl who hasn’t yet reached puberty. How can I enjoy her sexually?” by telling the ‘man’ that he may “hug her, kiss her, and ejaculate between her legs.” A prominent member of Saudi Arabia’s highest religious council said in 2012 that girls can be married “even if they are in the cradle,” then went on to explain that intercourse may occur whenever “they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the man.” Muhammad’s penchant for girls so much younger than him was such that at least two of his father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Omar, the first two Caliphs) were actually younger than him as well.  This disappointing pattern is very much at odds with the sort of sexual discipline that one might expect of a true “prophet of God.” And, about the murder of innocents…. For conversion; Qur’an (8:39) – “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.”  Translation from the Noble Quran Qur’an (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”  Suras 9 and 5 are the last “revelations” that Muhammad narrated – hence abrogating what came before, including the oft-quoted verse 2:256 -“There is no compulsion in religion…”. Qur’an (9:5) “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them…”  Prayer and charity are among the Five Pillars of Islam, as salat and zakat.  (See below).  The Quran thus sanctions violence as a means of coercing religion. Qur’an (9:11) – (Continued from above) “But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion” In conjunction with the preceding passage, this confirms that Muhammad is speaking of conversion to Islam. Quran (9:56-57) – “And they swear by Allah that they are most surely of you, and they are not of you, but they are a people who are afraid (of you).  If they could find a refuge or cave or a place to enter into, they would certainly have turned thereto, running away in all haste.”  This refers to people living with the Muslim tribe who may not be true believers, but must pretend to be in order to survive.  They have no safe refuge to escape the Muslims.  If Islam were a religion of peace, then why the fear? Qur’an (2:193) – “And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.”  The key phrase here is to fight until “religion be only for Allah.” Qur’an (3:83) – “Are they seeking a religion other than Allah’s, when every soul in the heavens and the earth has submitted to Him, willingly or by compulsion?”  But didn’t the earlier verse (2:256) state that there is “no compulsion in religion”?  This contradiction is resolved by abrogation – where the later verse supersedes the earlier one. And just to kill; Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)  The verse prior to this (190) refers to “fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you” leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families.  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah’s rule (ie. Muslim conquest).  The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution – “idtihad” – and oppression – a variation of “z-l-m” – do not appear in the verse).  The word used instead, “fitna”,  can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned “until religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief. Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.” Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.” Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.  This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’). Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”  The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter.  These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah.  This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers. Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…” Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.” Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward ”  This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes.  It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.  Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle). Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…”  Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense? Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement” Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.” Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah”  Some translations interpret “fitna” as “persecution”, but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for  2:193).  The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.  Other Muslims were allowed to travel there – just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction.  The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did).  Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah”, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition.  According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.” Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”   Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…” Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.” Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…” Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”  According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion’s Five Pillars).  This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack.  Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).  The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat.  Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert. Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.” Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even “healing” the hearts of Muslims. Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.”  The Arabic word interpreted as “striving” in this verse is the same root as “Jihad”.  The context is obviously holy war. Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”  “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews.  According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status.  Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam “superior over all religions.” This chapter was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years.  Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths. Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!” Quran (9:38-39) – “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.”  This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell. Quran (9:41) – “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.”  See also the verse that follows (9:42) – “If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them”  This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians). Quran (9:73) – “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”  Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.  It also explains why today’s devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith. Quran (9:88) – “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.” Quran (9:111) – “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.”  How does the Quran define a true believer? Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.” Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.”  Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is “utter destruction.”  (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam). Quran (18:65-81) – This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion.  The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with “special knowledge” who does things which don’t seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation.  One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).  However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would “grieve” his parents by “disobedience and ingratitude.”  He was killed so that Allah could provide them a ‘better’ son.  (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia.  Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).) Quran (21:44) – “We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?” Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…”   “Strive against” is Jihad – obviously not in the personal context.  It’s also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse. Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.”   This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to “fight in the way of Allah” (3:167) and hence don’t act as Muslims should), those with “diseased hearts” (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and “alarmists” or “agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad’s biographers.  It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today’s terrorists do.  If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah’s eternal word to Muslim generations. Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… If it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.”  Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad.  The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.  The only reason Allah doesn’t do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims.  Those who kill pass the test. Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”   Quran (48:17) – “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.”  Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means ‘spiritual struggle.’  Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?  This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell. Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves”  Islam is not about treating everyone equally.  This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.  Also the word used for ‘hard’ or ‘ruthless’ in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as ‘painful’ or severe’ to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26.. Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way”  Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to “battle array” meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict.  This is followed by (61:9): “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.”  (See next verse, below).  Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought. Quran (61:10-12) – “O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of ‘Adn – Eternity [‘Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.”  This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above).  It uses the Arabic word, Jihad. Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.”  The root word of “Jihad” is used again here.  The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include “hypocrites” – those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such. I could go on, if you’d like.

So, I’m not sure what you are getting at when you cited Ezekiel 9:5-7 without context?  The topic of our discussion is NOT the judgement of God; it is personal conduct. Don’t tell me every single militant is hearing from God.  No, their families are being paid handsomely.     Now what were these cruel acts the Israelites committed deserving of death?  Let’s see…  Read Ezekiel 9:9-10 (which comes just a few short verses afterwards).    9 Then He said to me, “The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is    exceedingly great, and the land is full of bloodshed, and the city full of    perversity; for they say, ‘The Lord has forsaken the land, and the Lord    does not see!’ 10 And as for Me also, My eye will neither spare, nor will    I have pity, but I will recompense their deeds on their own head.” (NKJV) No one is above reproach or God’s judgement, not even Israel.  Yet in your definition, you would call them “innocent people”? Read more of the context in Ezekiel 8 (which immediately precedes your verses). God was carrying out his justice FOR THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION and he explains why.  He found them guilty.  That wasn’t a policy.  In fact, God gave them plenty of time to repent.  Just read Ezekiel 3 and 33. Also, Jesus said himself of “innocent people” in Luke 13:1-5…     1 There were present at that season some who told Him about     the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.      2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that     these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans,     because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you     repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom     the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they     were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem?     5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”     (NKJV) We all deserve death from God, but continuing to sin exceedingly without repentance brings God’s IMMEDIATE judgement.   Moreover, you should always be doing the Law, doing good unto others; however, even if you do these things… you are always supposed to be doing them.  It’s not going to win you back points on judgement day or keep you from hellfire. Jesus warned us that God can’t be bribed by you doing what you’re already supposed to be doing.  Luke 17:7-10 says…     7 “Who among you would say to your servant who has just come     in from plowing or tending sheep in the field, ‘Come here immediately     and take your place at table’?  8 Would he not rather say to him,     ‘Prepare something for me to eat. Put on your apron and wait on me     while I eat and drink. You may eat and drink when I am finished’?     9 Is he grateful to that servant because he did what was commanded?     10 So should it be with you. When you have done all you have been     commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants; we have done what     we were obliged to do.’” (NKJV) In Matthew 16:37, Jesus rhetorically asks…    Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? You cite Luke 12:49-53 which alludes to Jesus’s death, and the cost of being one of of Jesus’s TRUE followers.        11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is     coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy     to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.”     (Matthew 3:11, NKJV) You see, no servant is greater than their master, and Jesus was going to be persecuted and put to death on a cross.  HE KNEW IT. The cost of being Jesus’s disciple is persecution (i.e. fire).  Luke 14:25-33 proves this when Jesus said…     25 Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said     to them, 26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father     and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his     own life also, he cannot be My disciple. 27 And whoever does     not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.     28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down     first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it—     29 lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish,     all who see it begin to mock him, 30 saying, ‘This man began to     build and was not able to finish’? 31 Or what king, going to make     war against another king, does not sit down first and consider     whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes     against him with twenty thousand? 32 Or else, while the other is     still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of     peace. 33 So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he     has cannot be My disciple. (NKJV) Matthew 16:24     24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple     must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25 For     whoever wants to save their life[f] will lose it, but whoever loses their     life for me will find it. (NKJV. See also Mark 8:34-35 and Luke 9:23-24) In Christianity, baptism (immersion under water) means dying with Jesus (going under the water) on the cross, and rising to new life (coming out of water) after resurrection.  Your sin debt is forgiven as one who is dead cannot be held by any debts they had in their previous life. You are free in Christ to serve Him alone to the glory of God. The point is, Jesus jumped on OUR grenade and took our punishment by His own design.  We could never take the wrath of punishment we are due from God; however, He offers eternal life to ANYONE willing to repent and place their faith in Him, to the glory of God. * * * * * * I’M STILL WAITING * * * * * * * * * * * * * 1. I’m still waiting for your definition of “innocent people”, no muruna. 2. I’m still waiting for Quran verses that command you to love your enemies AND your neighbor instead of solely judgements against treating other Muslims poorly. 3. Read Matthew 20:1-16 and tell me the meaning. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+20%3A1-16&version=ERV-AR <— If Arabic is your first language, this link will be an easy read. Tell me how this story is fair to the workers, and what the wages represent. 4. Then read Luke 15:11-32. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+15%3A11-32&version=ERV-AR Tell me how this story is fair to the older son, and who the father represents. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Is Israel killing innocent Muslims?  Bad things happen in war.  1. U.N. sent millions of dollars in aid to Palestine in aid.  Hamas spent around $30 to $90 million, and poured 600,000 tons of concrete, in order to build three dozen tunnels. Some tunnels were estimated to have cost $3 million to construct.  2. Hamas sets up rocket launchers in the middle of schools and expects the children to “survive” after they fire rockets into Israel, and when they go to “warn” Israel of impending attacks, they target children again by kidnapping and murdering them. No one is innocent; however, some are darn nasty.  Anyone who exploits children specifically for purposes of Jihad need to meet hellfire. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * READ my post on the history of how Islam spread from 7th – 20th century, then let’s talk about who was innocent.  The church didn’t even start fighting back until after 4 centuries of atrocities by Islam. That’s bloody patient. Israel’s current day activities are NO COMPARISON by even the slightest crime.

What matters is certain beliefs are purely “Islamic”. Because Mohammed married then molested a six year old girl who went to his home still playing with dolls, all Muslims think marrying and molesting little girls as young as six is perfectly normal. I already gave you those hadiths, if you choose to tell me you deny them the only person who believes you is you. Because I know you’re lying as per sharia sanctioned deception law (taqiyya, meruna, kitman, whatever) and if you aren’t than those imams are lying to you because they do endorse these hadiths 100%. Thank the Lord God Almighty that Abraham was NEVER a muslim. Such people didn’t exist prior to Mohammed’s meeting Satan (the Greatest of Deceivers) in a cave. Yahweh is the God of my ancestors, not Allah who hates women and Jews and Christians. Yahweh loves women and chose Marien to give birth to Emmanuel Yehoshua! With the Birth, Death and Resurrection of Yehoshua we are saved from our sins if only we accept Him in our hearts and follow His Law. And His Law is to LOVE all, even our fiercest enemies! Not like Allah’s law to kill, enslave or subjugate non believers. So guess what? I DON’T hate you or any muslim. I love and pity you and pray you find the Gospel of Yehoshua in your heart. Turn aside from the deception of Islam, find a Bible and pray to God for enlightenment to the TRUTH. Only then read the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Then look into your heart and see if you find any deception in their words. If you truly beg God for the TRUTH before you read, you WILL see that TRUTH and know the imams are not being truthful to you when they say the Bible is full of deception and lies. I beg you to try and see for yourself.

I have not provided any Quran verses except for the ones I provided several posts/days ago. * * * * * EXPLANATION MISSING ITS OWN CONTEXT * * * * * * 1. For which Quran verses did you just provide the context/explain?  Please properly cite the verses and put the explanation below them.  In this way, I can learn from you and your beliefs. 2. I am not sure where you are quoting from now with the Sanhedrin references?  Is it the Talmud?   Why would you quote from an interpretation of the bible and not the Tanakh or the New Testament itself? Honestly, I cannot answer this question because I have never read the Talmud; it would be better to ask a practicing Rabbi. * * * * *  * I’M STILL WAITING * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 3. I’m still waiting for your definition of “innocent people”, no muruna. NUMBER OF TIMES ASKED NOW = 3 4. I’m still waiting for Quran verses that command you to love your enemies AND your neighbor instead of solely judgements against treating other Muslims poorly. NUMBER OF TIMES ASKED NOW = 4 5. Read Matthew 20:1-16 and tell me the meaning. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+20%3A1-16&version=ERV-AR <— If Arabic is your first language, this link will be an easy read. Tell me how this story is fair to the workers, and what the wages represent. NUMBER OF TIMES ASKED NOW = 2 6. Then read Luke 15:11-32. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+15%3A11-32&version=ERV-AR Tell me how this story is fair to the older son, and who the father represents. NUMBER OF TIMES ASKED NOW = 2 * * * * * * * * * WAIT NO LONGER * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The Koran has 164 Jihad Verses of which only a handful represent a Jihad of the mind. An entire list can be found at http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html

“i sent you verses from your book that allow to kill childeren and pregnent women it is the only book that allow to kill them ” (Yassine) <— The Talmud is not our (a Christian) book. That is an interpretational book of Judaism, and it is NOT inspired scripture, only man’s interpretation. “another thhing i dont care about jihadist what did do think because in islam it is not allowed to boomb yourself and if you did you will get the hell” (Yassine) <— In Christianity, we are taught to care for and love our enemies. As a Christian, I would hope that you would be praying for those whom you say are not practicing Islam correctly. Especially if you’re offended by their actions. “and if you are asking for the context for your verses you must montion quran context too and when the verse come quran has written when mulims had lots of wars and alah waas sending verses to tell muslims what to do it was the time when christians and jewish made wars on muslims from whole to sides” (Yassine) <— As you can see from the history of Islam and its Prophet above in my former post, Jews and Christians did not set out originally to make wars against Islam. We waited 400 years of conquering, murdering, raping and pillaging by Muslims–giving Islam plenty of time to repent–before we took action in the Crusades. Islam is not innocent; Islam stands condemned. “jihad against those who want to kill mulims not for inneceent people” (Yassine) <—- In Islam, Jihad is justified against people living in the countries of those fighting Islamic militants because the lay people pay taxes to their government. This is why extremists target public places. In fact, in Islam, no one is innocent if they are not practicing the Islam religion as its goal is to subject everyone to Sharia and Allah across the entire Earth. * * * * * Tuesday, 31 July 2012 04:02 Louis Palme (paraphrased) * * * * * 1. Takiyya – Dissimulation about ones Muslim identity. When it is possible to achieve an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible, and lying is obligatory if the goal is obligatory. 2. Tawriya – “Concealing”, or “creative lying”. Breaking the intent of an oath as long as you don’t break the semantics. e.g. Suppose someone protests that Surah 1 of the Quran demeans Christians and Jews, because it is a supplication Muslims make to Allah seventeen times a day to keep them from the path of “those with whom God is angry” and “those who have lost their way”. A Muslim might respond, “Surah 1 never mentions Jews or Christians.” He is practicing tawriya, because while Surah 1 does not mention Jews and Christians by name, but he knows full-well that the words “those” refer to Jews and Christians. 3. Kitman – Telling only part of the truth. e.g. Quoting only the few peaceful passages from the Quran, knowing full-well that that passage was later abrogated by a more militant, contradictory verse. Here is an example: “There is no compulsion in religion” (Surah 2:256, an Early Medina) Repealed and replaced later with… “Are they seeking a religion other than Allah’s, when every soul in the heavens and earth has submitted to Him, willingly or by compulsion?” (Surah 3:83, a Later Medina) 4. Muruna – Use of “flexibility” to blend in with the enemy or the surroundings. e.g. It is okay for a militant jihadist to marry a non-Muslim or to behave like a non-Muslim so their true agenda will not be suspected. Also, the 9/11 hijackers visited strip clubs and bars during their off-times while taking classes in the U.S. to fly airplanes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the White House. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Yassine, are you using any of these strategies in your replies? Since you’re scholars teach that these things are okay, how can I be sure if your reply is genuine? On the contrast, in Judaism and Christianity, let’s see what the Bible has to say about lying… Proverbs 19:5 (NKJV) A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who speaks lies will not escape. Proverbs 19:9 (NKJV) A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who speaks lies will perish. Psalm 101:7 (NKJV) He who works deceit shall not dwell within my house; He who tells lies shall not continue in my presence. Proverbs 12:19 (NKJV) The truthful lip shall be established forever, But a lying tongue is but for a moment. Luke 16:10 (NKJV) He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much. James 3:14 (NKJV) But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. Proverbs 12:5 (NKJV) The thoughts of the righteous are right, But the counsels of the wicked are deceitful. Psalm 34:13 (NKJV) Keep your tongue from evil, And your lips from speaking deceit. Exodus 20:16 (NKJV) “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.” Revelation 21:8 (NKJV) “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 1. What are the verses in the Quran that teach that lying is wrong, and what are the verses in the Quran that command against lying? * * * * * * I’M STILL WAITING * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 2. For which Quran verses did you just provide the context/explain? Please properly cite the verses and put the explanation below them. In this way, I can learn from you and your beliefs. NUMBER OF TIMES ASKED NOW = 2 3. I’m still waiting for your definition of “innocent people”, no muruna. NUMBER OF TIMES ASKED NOW = 4 4. I’m still waiting for Quran verses that command you to love your enemies AND your neighbor instead of solely judgements against treating other Muslims poorly. NUMBER OF TIMES ASKED NOW = 5 5. Read Matthew 20:1-16 and tell me the meaning. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+20%3A1-16&version=ERV-AR <— If Arabic is your first language, this link will be an easy read. Tell me how this story is fair to the workers, and what the wages represent. NUMBER OF TIMES ASKED NOW = 3 6. Then read Luke 15:11-32. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+15%3A11-32&version=ERV-AR Tell me how this story is fair to the older son, and who the father represents. NUMBER OF TIMES ASKED NOW = 3

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Jesus IS GOD COMING IN FLESH/AS MAN, AS BIBLE STATES ; GOD BECOMES HUMAN smile emoticon

The Attitude of Christ -Philippians 2:6
5Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.…

JesuS is that GOD LORD ‘
JESUS (GOD) WHO CAME AS A MAN/PROPHET) TAUGHT US ABOUT how to live, to obey HIM.
Jesus Statements in the BIBLE ARE.. I am from Above, You are from below, I am Not of this WORLD.? HMM Sounds GOD like to me Matt 7:22 Many will say to “ME” in that DAY, But LORD, LORD….as they are getting JUDGED BY GOD… Matt 4:7 AS satanwas tempting JESUS “It is Written, You shall NOT tempt the LORD YOUR GOD” & in verse 10, You shall WORSHIP the LORD Your GOD & Him ONLY.. We already HAD JESUS CLAIM HIMSELF AS LORD! There are hundreds MORE. Before Abraham was “I AM” (ONLY GOD be THERE)
God REACHED out with HIS ARM to SAVE the WORLD. Gods ARM was Severely Wounded and Whipped & Pierced & Beaten & Crowned KING thru DAVIDS Blood LINE.. All Spoken of in OT. Isaiah chapters 40-48 & Chapter 53. Psalms 22, Zech 9:9, 10:3 (“LORD of HOST” Shall VISIT His FLOCK” 12:5 LORD OF HOST, “THEIR GOD” Look on ME whom they have PIERCED (ZECH 12:10) Kind of PLAIN as DAY the JESUS is GOD! Who COMES to SAVE the WORLD! The ARM of GOD that WAS Cut of & DIED for the SINS of the WORLD, Then RECONNECTED
God has a NAME. The Verse I am Referring to explains that they “The People” do NOT get that the NAME of GOD “LORD” a APPEARED IN PERSON to Abraham, Issac, Jacob. Jesus told the Pharisees that HE is the ONE who Appeared to THEM. Jesus SAW Abraham. And the Pharisees KNEW what he was saying because They said. Your NOT even 50yrs old, Yet YOU saw Abraham..? Jesus is THAT “LORD”. Jesus is YHWH. Jesus SAID “If you do NOT believe that I am HE (THAT LORD), you will die in your SINS”
same bible SAIS JESUS IS THAT ONE LORD, WHICH JESUS COMANDED US TO WORSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ABOVE ARE JESUS’S STATEMENS TO BE THAT GOD, WHO CAME AS SAVIOR.
John 5:23:
23 That all men should honour(worship) the Son, even as they honour(worship) the Father

 

Jesus’s preexistence

Now that we’ve established the fact that the Bible is completely reliable. let us consider what it has to say about Jesus Christ. Since we can be absolutely confident that the Bible gives us an accurate record of the important events, and teachings, in the life of Jesus Christ, as well as the beliefs concerning Him held by the first Christians, let us see Who this Jesus was: 1. JESUS, A MAN OF HISTORY That Jesus lived is evident, not only because Scripture testifies about Him, but, also, because such historians as Polycarp, Eusebius, Iranaeus, Ignatius, Justian, Origin, and others of the early Church Fathers, proclaim Him, as well as other non-Biblical sources such as, Cornelius Tacitus [A.D. 52-54], Lucian [2nd century], Flavius Josephus [A.D. 66], Tertullian {A.D. 197], Thallus, the Samaitain-born historian [A.D. 52], Letter of Mara Bar-Serapion [A.D. 73], Pontius Pilate’s report [A.D. 150, and The Jewish Talmud. It is interesting to note that the Encyclopedia Britannica has 20,000 words describing Jesus. 2. JESUS, HIS PRE-EXISTENCE A. BEFORE HIS CONCEPTION For any one else but Jesus Christ to make the assertion that He existed before He was conceived in His mother’s womb would be without warrant. However, Jesus, in John 6:62, said to some of His followers, “What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before!” Christ lived in heaven before He was born on this earth. In Hebrews 10:5 we find Christ talking immediately before His coming into this world and speaking about the body which He was to receive upon that advent. Hebrews 10:5 states, “Therefore, when Christ came into the world He said: `Sacrifice and offering You [Speaking to His Heavenly Father] did not desire, but a body You prepared for me.” In John 1:15 we read these striking words from the lips of John the Baptist concerning the Christ, “This was He of whom I said, `He Who comes after me has surpassed Me because He was before me.” Now John was born before Jesus was, and yet he says that Jesus existed before he did. Let us trace this existence through the pages of Holy Writ. The Apostle John tells us in chapter one, verse 18, of his Gospel, “No one has ever seen God, but God the only Son, who is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.” According to this verse no person has ever seen God, but Christ has declared or made known to men. In the Old Testament times God on numerous occasions appeared to individuals. In these appearances He took the form of either a man or an angel. If we accept the teaching of the above verse [John 1:18] , then we must come to the conclusion that since no man has ever seen God the Father, it must have been Jesus Christ the Son Who took upon Himself the form of an angel or a man and appeared to Old Testament characters. With this thought in mind let us make a study of some of these appearances. The New Testament will identify Christ in some of these appearances for us. The context will make it clear that more than merely an angel is meant. [Other Scripture to study on this subject would be John 6:38; and 17:5 & 24.] B. AT THE TIME OF JEWISH CAPTIVITY 2 The experience of Daniel’s three friends who refused to worship King Nebuchadnezzar’s image and were thrown into the fiery furnace is a familiar story. In Daniel 3:25, the king looking into the furnace, says, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the god.” No doubt this is the accurate translation of what the king actually said, however, the translators of the old version gave us the true situation when they expressed these words , “The form of the fourth is like the Son of God.” Certainly this fourth Person was none other than Jesus Christ, the Second Person in the Trinity! In verse 28 the king calls Him an “angel.” He no doubt had that appearance to those who saw Him. What a comfort to know that the Lord Jesus Christ made His presence known to those who were going through trials even in the Old Testament times! C. DURING THE TIME OF THE PROPHETS The Apostle Peter in his first epistle, chapter one, verses 10 and 11, speaks about the Old Testament prophets, when he states, “Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.” The Spirit of Christ was in them. He existed in those days! It is true that He made Himself known to them through His Holy Spirit, but it is more than likely that at times He actually appeared unto them in human or angelic form when He revealed to them the teachings which have become a part of the Word of God. And, how appropriate that it should be so! D. IN THE DAYS OF KING DAVID When the Lord Jesus debated with His enemies we find Him using a quotation from David concerning the Messiah indicating that He was alive in those days. Matthew 22:41-46 states, “While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, `What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?’ `The son of David,’ they replied. He said to them, `How is it then that David , speaking by the Spirit, calls Him `Lord’ For he says…[Jesus, then, quotes Psalm 110:1]…`The Lord said to My Lord: Sit at My right hand until I put your enemies under Your feet.'” The question, Jesus asks, was, “Since David calls Him, `Lord,’ how is He his son?” And, verse 46 goes on to say, ‘No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask Him any more questions.” Here, under divine inspiration, David listened to a conversation carried on between God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son. He wrote down what They said and has given it to us. We need no further proof than this, that our Savior lived in those days when the Psalms were being written. E. AT THE TIME OF THE JUDGES In the thirteenth chapter of Judges we find the story of the appearing of the “Angel of Jehovah” unto the parents of Samson. Verse 3 says, “The angel of the Lord appeared to her and said, `You are sterile and childless, but you are going to conceive and have a son.” In verse 6 this angel is called “A man of God.” In verse 19 he is referred to as “The Lord.” Here then was a revelation of God in human form, and as we have already seen, it must have been 3 through the Person of the Second Person in the Trinity – the Lord Jesus Christ. Verse 18 is a further confirmation of this fact, for we read, “And the angel of Jehovah said unto him, Why do you ask my name, seeing it is wonderful?” [Reminds us of Isaiah 9:6 where Messiah is named, “Wonderful.”] A similar appearance was made to Gideon in chapter six. Verse 12 states, “When the angel of the Lord appeared to Gideon, he said, `The LORD is with you, mighty warrior.'” In verse 22 Gideon talks to the angel and says to him, “Ah, Sovereign LORD!” Deity is most certainly indicated here. And, as no human being could have looked into the face of God the Father, we conclude this was once again the Lord Jesus Christ come down to earth to encourage one of the Old Testament saints. F. DURING THE LIFETIME OF JOSHUA Joshua and the Israelites had crossed over the river Jordan, and the manna, the food from heaven, had ceased. The tremendous task of conquering this land was before General Joshua and his army. Just here a fresh revelation of God was needed to encourage Joshua and it was supplied in the Person of Jesus Christ. Listen to the story in Joshua 5:13-15, “Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, `Are you for us or for our enemies?’ `Neither,’ he replied, `but as commander of the army of the LORD I have now come.’ Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence and asked him, `What message does my Lord have for his servant?’ The commander of the Lord’s army replied, `Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy.’ And Joshua did so.” After this remarkable appearance Joshua never needed to be afraid for the real captain of his army was the Second Person in the Trinity, whom we know to be the Lord Jesus Christ. And He is our Captain today. May we go forth under His banner to win battles under His leadership! G. AT THE TIME OF ISRAEL’S EXPERIENCES IN THE WILDERNESS Was Jesus Christ present with the Israelites in their wanderings through the wilderness as well as their coming forth out of Egypt? He most certainly was. Paul says so twice in the tenth chapter of his first letter to the Corinthians. Verse 9 states, “We should not test the Lord, as some of them did – and were killed by snakes.” Christ was there and the Israelites tempted Him by their unbelief. And verse 4 states, “They drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.” Christ followed with them all through those wilder- ness experiences. And He will follow with us, but may we not tempt Him as they did! Jesus Christ led the way for the hosts of the Israelites as they journeyed on! Exodus 14:19 states, “Then the angel of God, who had been traveling in front of Israel’s army, withdrew and went behind them.” When protection was needed in the rear His position was changed. The prophet Isaiah gives us an interesting name for this “angel.” In Isaiah 63:9, refers to this angel as, “the angel of His presence.” [Literally translated this verse would read, “the angel of His face.”] It would be appropriate then to call the angel, “The Face of the Lord.” And is that not exactly what Jesus Christ is? It is in the face that a person’s real character is seen, and when we look at the face of Jesus we see the character of God, His heavenly Father and ours. 4 H. AT THE TIME OF MOSES Moses was one of those highly favored in Old Testament times by having numerous revelations of God made known unto him. The first appearance of God to Moses is found in Exodus 3:1-6, which states, “Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the desert and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought, `I will go over and see this strange sight – why the bush does not burn up.’ When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, `Moses, Moses!’ And Moses said, `Here I am.’ `Do not come any closer,’ God said. `Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.’ Then he said, `I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.’ At this Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.” In the verses which follow Moses is commissioned to go and deliver the Israelites from Egyptian bondage. Moses then asks God concerning what name he should use in telling Israel God had sent him to them. God answers in verse 14 and says, “I AM THAT I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: `I AM has sent me to you.'” Again and again Jesus Christ used the expression “I am” in making claims of deity for Himself. Here are a few of such claims: “I am the bread of life.” “I am the light of the world.” “I am the resurrection and the Life.” “I am the true vine.” ” I am Alpha and Omega.” “I am the bright and morning star.” And each time such a statement was made, Jesus was saying, “I am the same Personage who appeared to Moses in the burning bush.” As a result of this appearance to Moses, he had to make a momentous decision. On the one hand was Egypt and a position of wealth, involving pleasure and popularity. On the other hand was the wilderness experience with God’s people, and according to the writer of Hebrews, the presence of Christ. Hebrews 11:25-26 states, “He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a short time. He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward.” Moses chose the presence of Christ, although it meant reproach rather than all that Egypt had to offer him. Yes, Jesus Christ was with Moses in the long ago! When the Israelites arrived at Mount Sinai we know that Moses went up into the mount and there talked with God. The tables of the law were given and these commandments were soon broken by the people. But after Moses had destroyed the golden calf he went into the tabernacle and there he talked with God. Exodus 33:11 says concerning that conversation, “The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.” [This was a temporary “tabernacle,” called the “the tabernacle of the congregation” which the children of Israel worshiped at before the Tabernacle, which God commanded, at Sinai, to be built, was built.] Could language be any more beautiful than that? But certainly Moses could not have looked into the face of God the Father. The Apostle John tells us no man has seen God the Father at any time. Hence we are driven to the conclusion that it must have been the Lord Jesus Christ, God’s Son, with Whom Moses held conversation with “face to face.” One such 5 an experience would more than make up for all the hardships and trials of those wilderness experiences! I. AT THE TIME OF JACOB As we go back to the time of Jacob we find that God appeared to this patriarch in a most remarkable way. It was just before Jacob’s reconciliation to Esau. The account of it is found in Genesis 32, beginning with verse 24. A man is said to have wrestled with him, but prevailed not to get him to surrender. Then this Person touches the hollow of Jacob’s thigh and puts it out of joint. However, Jacob would not let Him go without a blessing which was given in the form of the new name, Israel. After this experience was over Jacob gave a name to the place where it occurred. Verse 30 states, “So Jacob called the place Penial, saying, `It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.” This Person then was God having taken upon Himself human flesh, and Jesus Christ is the Person in the Godhead Who, is said to have done this. Jacob could never be quite the same after this experience as he had been before. J. AT THE TIME OF ABRAHAM’S PILGRIMAGE We know from the lips of Christ Himself that He lived in the days of Abraham. Jesus said in John 8:56-58, “`Your Father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day’ he saw it and was glad.’ You are not yet fifty years old,’ the Jews said to Him, `and you have seen Abraham!’ `I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, `before Abraham was born, I am!'” Let’s examine two experiences, recorded in the Old Testament, which Abraham had with the Lord Jesus Christ. The first one is given to us in Genesis 18:1, it states, “The Lord appeared to Abraham.” Then verse 2 speaks of three men standing by him. Hospitality is given these three men by Abraham and Sarah. In verse 9 they ask concerning Sarah’s whereabouts. But in verse 10 we find one of these three men doing the talking, promising Sarah a son in words which could only be true of God. In verse 13 this Person is definitely called “The Lord.” The promise made was repeated a second time and then the three men started toward the city of Sodom and Abraham went with them to bring them on their way. But the Lord …one of the three…gave Abraham another promise of blessing, evidently as they walked along together. Then the Lord revealed to Abraham His purpose of destroying Sodom, and Abraham began to make his plea for Sodom because of Lot’s presence in the city. And this wonderful chapter ends with these words, “When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, He left, and Abraham returned home.” In the light of New Testament teaching which we have already studied, there can be no question that one of these three men who appeared to Abraham was none other than Jesus Christ. The other experience in the life of Abraham is given in the twenty-second chapter of Genesis. God tested the faith of Abraham by asking him to offer up his son Isaac as a burnt offering unto the Lord. Abraham obeyed God but as he took the knife to slay his son Heaven intervened. Verse 11 states, “But the angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven, `Abraham! Abraham!'” The life of Isaac was spared, and a ram caught in a thicket was offered in his place. Then verse 15 states, “The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time.” A marvelous blessing was bestowed by this personage. The expression used here is, “The Angel of the Lord.” This expression is used in the Old Testament is specific and not general in its usage. This expression is never used in the plural of angels, but always in the singular, thus indicating that there is only one of the heavenly Beings to whom this title 6 belongs. Thus the Angel of the Lord Who called unto Abraham on Mount Moriah is the same Person Who appeared unto Moses, Jacob, and Abraham as recorded in Genesis 18. How highly favored of men was Abraham! God says of him in Isaiah 41:8, “Abraham, my friend.” And the Lord Jesus Christ was his friend! K. AT THE TIME OF THE TRIALS OF HAGAR Genesis 16 gives the story of the birth of Ishmael. When Sarah saw that Hagar was with child she despised her, and Hagar fled from her mistress. But the Lord did not forsake her. Verse 7 states, “The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert.” He told her to return and gave her a promise concerning her son and posterity. Verse 13 reveals that this was more than an angel, when it states, “She gave this name to the LORD Who spoke to her: `You are the God Who sees me,’ for she said, `I have now seen the One Who sees me.” The writer of Genesis calls the “angel” who appeared unto Hagar, “the Lord,” and she herself spoke of this “Angel” as God seeing her. The Angel of God came to her rescue again when, after the birth of her son, she was cast out of the home of Abraham and Sarah. And what a comfort to know that his angel is none other than Jesus Christ Who is “the same yesterday, and today, and for ever!” L. AT THE TIME OF NOAH AND ENOCH As we go farther back in Bible history we discover a statement made concerning both Noah and Enoch which throws light on the pre-existence of Jesus. Genesis 6:9 says of Noah, “Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God.” In Genesis 5:24 it says of Enoch, “Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.” Now here are two men who are said to have “walked with God.” What does that expression mean? Was it simply a spiritual fellowship between the Creator and these men? It seems it was that and more than that. After seeing how the Lord through the Second Person in the Trinity took upon Himself the form of an angel or of a man and actually appeared unto various Bible characters, it seems more logical to believe that He did similarly in the case of these two men. If so, then it was Jesus Christ with Whom they walked. And what an experience it must have been to these men of old. M. AT THE TIME OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN Did Jesus Christ walk in the Garden of Eden? Let’s see! Genesis 3:8 states, “Then the man and his wife heard the word of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day.” Adam and Eve had sinned and so they are now afraid of God’s presence and hide themselves because of their nakedness. But this verse is an indication that before their fall they had been in the habit of walking with the Lord God. Now this account of God’s coming and talking in the cool of the evening with Adam and Eve is very personal. The Almighty is represented as appear- ing in human form and conversing with man. And Scripture makes it plain that such appearances were customary for the blessed Second Person of the Trinity, so it seems certain that our Christ was in the Garden of Eden even as He will be the prominent Person in the final Paradise of Heaven. Can you imagine Paradise without Him? N. AT THE TIME OF THE CREATION OF ALL THINGS 7 How far back does the pre-existence of Christ extend? Was He in existence when the world and all the vast universe was created? When God created man, we learn from Genesis 1:26, that more than one Person in the Godhead was involved, because this verse states, “Then God said, `Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.” The plural pronouns indicate that at least two persons of the Godhead had to do with creation. A careful study of Scripture will indicate that all Three Persons of the Godhead had a part in this marvelous event. But how could this be? A good way to understand the part each One had in creation is to think of God as the Architect of the universe…Jesus Christ as the Contractor, or Builder…and…the Holy Spirit as the Furnisher, or the One Who bestows life. Let us see what the New Testament says about Jesus Christ as the Creator: John 1:3 says, “Through Him [Christ Jesus] all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made.” 1 Corinthians 8:6 states, “Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.” Ephesians 3:9 states, “God, Who created all things.” [King James translates this verse as, “Who created all things by Jesus Christ.”] Colossians 1:16 states, “For by Him [Jesus Christ] all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible.” Hebrews 1:2 states, “…through Whom [Christ Jesus] He [God, the Father] made the universe.” So what? What difference will it make to me if I realize that the same Christ Who dwells in my heart as my Savior is the One Who created all the vast universe? A number of year ago a South American firm purchased from the United States the first printing press that was sent down to that land. After it was set up, for some reason or other it would not work. so word was sent to the ones from which it had been purchased asking that someone be sent down who could fix the machine. However, when the man arrived they refused to let him work on the machine because he was too young. They wired back to the United States, “This man you sent is too young. Send us one more experienced.” Back over the wires came this answer, “This man made the machine. Let him fix it.” This young man had been instrumental in making the machine, which had been sent down, in the first place! Jesus Christ made me, I ought to have faith to believe He can fix anything about me that needs fixing! What I need is to realize the tremendous power of the One Whom I call my Savior! 8 O. BEFORE CREATION Since Jesus Christ was Creator, then we know His experience goes back before creation. In John 17:5 Jesus uses the expression, “before the world was” to describe His preexistence. The Prophet Micah in his famous prediction concerning the birth of the Messiah says of Him in Micah 5:2, “whose origins are from of old, from ancient time” [or from days of eternity]. Jesus Christ has existed from all eternity! He had no beginning. There you have the facts – as to understanding those facts, it is beyond the finite mind of man to grasp such truths. What was Jesus Christ doing before the creation? Does the Bible tell us anything about His activities in the long ago? Yes, we have a glimpse, but it is sufficient to encourage our hearts just to have that glimpse. That glimpse gives us an idea of His condition in relation to God the Father, and also links us up with Him through the ages, if our faith is in Him. Philippians 2:6 tells us that He was on an equality with the Father. John 17:5 tells of the glory which He had with the Father before the world was. John 17:24 speaks of God the Father loving Jesus Christ the Son before the foundation of the world. But what of His relation to us? Listen to the words of 2 Timothy 1:9, “Who has saved us and called us to a holy life – not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.” Back there in those days of the eternity of the past Jesus Christ was busy purposing and planning for your salvation which was to be on the principle of free grace. What a glorious salvation is ours! In Ephesians 1:4 we are given another wonderful thought: “For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in His sight in love.” Chosen in Christ in the eternity of the past! We can scarcely grasp the meaning of it. But what made it possible? Revelation 13:8 gives the answer. It states,”…the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.” The cross of Christ and the precious blood of Christ were in the mind and purpose of God throughout all the ages of the past. And it is this that makes possible all these wonderful blessings which are ours in Him. 9 We have traced the preexistence of Christ from His birth back through the period of Old Testament history, back to the creation of the universe, and finally we stood on the shore of the eternal ocean of the past. As far as man can peer we still find Christ. There He is sharing in the glory of the Father. And do you wish to share with Him in that glory? Listen to John 17:24, “Father, I want those you have given Me to be with Me where I am, and to see My glory, the glory You have given Me because You loved Me before the creation of the world.” Let us thank God for the pre-existence of Christ! 3. JESUS CHRIST, THE “JEHOVAH” OF THE OLD TESTAMENT While it is true that, in Scripture, Jesus is shown to be the Second Person of the Triune Godhead…having life from eternity…He is…as we will see…the “Jehovah” of the Old Testament as well. In Exodus 3:14, God revealed Himself by the name Jehovah…”I am that I am,” “I AM” being one of the names of Deity. In the New Testament, Christ applied the name “I am” to Himself many times, and He is called “Lord” in both Testaments. [See Isaiah 40:3 with Matthew 3:3; Isaiah 6:1 and 53:1 with John 12:41, etc.] Many times in the New Testament, Christ used the words, “I am” to indicate that He was Jehovah…the LORD…and, often, as has been stated earlier in this study, He used the words “I am” followed by other descriptive words…such as I am the resurrection and the life.” It is interesting to compare Christ’s usage of the word “Jehovah” with the Old Testament’s usage of this word because…like Jesus…the Old Testament compounds the word “Jehovah” with such descriptive words as “Jehovah-Ydifkrnu,” “The Lord our Righteousness” [Jeremiah 23:6]…or, “Jehovah-Shalom,” “The Lord our peace” [Judges 6:24]. Many times in the New Testament, Jesus used the term “I am He” [that is, the Messiah] to imply His Deity! In each of these instances where Christ said, “I am He,” the “He” is not in the text, but, rather, was supplied by the translators. Other Scriptural examples of Christ’s usage of “I am”…followed by descriptive words…are the following: “I am the Bread of Life” – [John 6:33, 41, 48, 51] “I am the Light of the World” – [John 8:12; 9:5] “I am the Door” – [John 10:7, 9] “I am the Good Shepherd – [John 10:11, 14] [Also see, John 10:36; 11:25; 14:6; 15:1; Revelation 1:11, 17-18; 21:6; 22:13 and 17.] While the more literal translation of “YHWH” is “Yahweh,” most translate it as “Jehovah”…or…”LORD”…and basically, it (the word “Yahweh”) means “He who is”…or…”I AM WHO I AM” [Exodus 3:14]. In John 8:24, Jesus said, “Unless you believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins.” In verse 28 Jesus says, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you shall know that I AM,” and, then, in verse 58 He said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” 10 Matthew 13:14-15 states, “In them…[that is in the Jews who rejected Jesus as their Messiah]…is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: `You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.” This passage, which Jesus quoted, stating that He, indeed, fulfilled is from Isaiah 6:8-10, and identifies Him with “Jehovah” of the Old Testament. When John the Baptist announced the appearance of the Messiah, he, of course, was referring to Jesus Christ specifically, it is my conviction that the word “Jehovah,” more accurately, really refers to the Godhead…including Jesus Christ…the Second Person of the  Godhead…and was the physical expression of that Godhead to man.

Eternal Hell and Damnation

Eternal Hell and Damnation

It is destined for man to die once and thereafter to face judgment. There are only two final destinations where souls will end up. The one is in Heaven, having eternal life with Jesus in the presence of God and the other is eternal damnation in the lake of fire.
Nobody talked about HELL as much as Jesus did and Jesus is the only One who really knew what hell looked like.
When people die, the souls of those who died in Christ, who knew Jesus Christ, who had repented of sin and lived in holiness and obedience to Him, they await judgment unto eternal life but those who were disobedient to Christ, who loved sin and the pleasures of sin, they go into hell where they will wait for final judgment. Jesus gave us a glimpse of what HELL looks like when He told the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. I read it in Luke 16:19-31 “Now there was a certain rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. Now it came about that the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried out and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I AM IN AGONY IN THIS FLAME. But Abraham said, child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you there is a giant chasm fixed, in order that those who WISH to come over from here to you may not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us. And he said, then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house for I have five brothers, in order that he may warn them, lest they also come to this place of torment But Abraham said, they have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them But he said, No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent! But he said to him, if they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.'” If you use an online Bible such as bible.cc and you type in HELL you will find so many entrees where Jesus spoke about HELL and that HE WARNED. He said that if a man looks at a woman to lust after her, he has already committed adultery in his heart. And if your eye makes you stumble, IT IS BETTER TO PLUCK IT OUT AND LET ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS PERISH THAN THAT YOUR WHOLE BODY ENDS UP IN HELL .
Hell is a terrible place and nobody will come out of hell. THERE IS NO PURGATORY, THERE IS NO WAY OUT. That is where souls wait for the final judgment. From the parable of Lazarus and the rich man we find out how terrible hell is. The rich man WISHED that Lazarus would just WET THE TIP OF HIS TONGUE WITH A DROP OF WATER BECAUSE HE WAS IN AGONY IN THAT FLAME. We read about the nature of the second death, the final destination after judgment we read that in Revelation 20:10 “And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be TORMENTED DAY and NIGHT FOREVER and EVER.” There will be a white Throne judgment and we will all stand before that judgment Throne of Christ. I read in verse Revelation 20:11-15 “And I saw a great white Throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the Throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were JUDGED FROM THE THINGS WHICH WERE WRITTEN IN THE BOOKS, ACCORDING TO THEIR DEEDS, . And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their DEEDS . THEN DEATH AND HADES WERE THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH, THE LAKE OF FIRE. AND IF ANYONE’S NAME WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, HE WAS THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.” .
We have read about the nature of the lake of fire, :10 “And He says: THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOREVER AND EVER.”
There will be no end to the torment of those ending up in the lake of fire.
Dear friends, hell is real. Jesus gave many people revelations of hell and we often wonder about the credibility of those visions whether they are real. One night the Lord spoke to me and I heard these words: “HELL TO HEAVEN, BAXTER.” I did not know what it was about, it happened twice. I went on the internet and I found the testimony of Mary K Baxter who had a revelation of hell. Now friends if somebody else had told me to read that book or to read that video then I would have been extremely skeptical but it was not a human, it was not a man or a woman who told me that. Jesus Himself told me about that testimony and I listened to the testimony and I got the FRIGHT of my life because it was confirmed by God and I want to advise you to go and read or listen to the testimony of Mary K Baxter. I put the links onto this video and you can go and download it for free.[link] . But dear friends, HELL IS REAL, it is no joke. We must be prepared, if our names are NOT written in the Book of Life then we will end up in eternal damnation. THERE IS NO WAY OUT. THERE IS NO PURGATORY. There is no escape for those who disobey Jesus Christ. Now is the time to prepare. Now is the time to prepare for judgment day. NO SINNERS will go into Heaven and NOT ONE SIN will be excused. We must be pure and holy.
The only One who can take away our sins is JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF, nobody else, nobody can give eternal Life but JESUS. Every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and Jesus alone decides who will have eternal life. GET TO KNOW JESUS. Turn away from sin, repent of sin. Go on your knees and cry out to Jesus with all that is within you. Confess every sin that you have ever done in your life with REMORSE and TURN AWAY from that sin and cry out to Jesus for MERCY UNTIL you KNOW that you found forgiveness. Cry out to Jesus until He reveals Himself to you and then you need to stay with Jesus. You need to live a life that is pleasing to Him. He will reveal Himself to you as REAL. If you seek Him you will find Him. If you don’t seek Him you will end up in eternal HELL dear friend, eternal damnation. Now is the time to get right with God and to STAY RIGHT, to live a life that is pleasing to Jesus. It is not just a once of occasion where you get to know Jesus and you have your sins forgiven. It is a LIFE DEDICATED TO JESUS CHRIST in UTTER OBEDIENCE TO HIM. A life of holiness and obedience to Jesus Christ. We have the opportunity to spend eternity in Heaven and if we don’t use that we will definitely end up in eternal damnation, forever and ever. Dear friend, now is the time to prepare. Go on your knees and cry out to Jesus, GET TO KNOW HIM before it is too late. SEEK HIM and YOU WILL FIND HIM. .

May Jesus bless you .